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kq4ym
kq4ym
6/19/2016 8:19:57 AM
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Re: But self driving cars don't need 5G...?
It does seem that the collision avoidance is going to be relying on radar/lidar and camersa for some time to come. But, I would think that vehicles "talking" to one another, much like commercial aircraft are now doing, will also become commonplace needing some very high speed communication at some distance from one another.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
6/18/2016 11:39:08 AM
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Re: Implementing...
Fast and reliable 5G is going to be needed for critical systems. Autonomous cars are a great exmaple of that. While I'm sure these automotive systems will find a way to operate with backup wireless systems in case of failure, service providers will need to prove they can scale robust moving broadband for controlling a lot of vehicles. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/7/2016 12:55:06 PM
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Re: But self driving cars don't need 5G...?
Wireless latency is absolutely an issue for any kind of "life threatening" remote controlled activity. Autonomous cars can't rely on 5G for making real time decisions. Maybe for predicting traffic ahead or for anticipating road hazards that have been already discovered and marked by other cars....

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kq4ym
kq4ym
6/7/2016 9:05:31 AM
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Re: But self driving cars don't need 5G...?
I'm wondering how critical the latency issue is to autonomous driving. If 1 to 5 milliseconds is available with 5G how would it really be usefull. I would think the 5G is not going to have much if anything to do with the actual driving, but only for connecting IoT devices back to some distant server for gathering info, not for actual driving or navigation.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/3/2016 7:56:12 PM
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Re: But self driving cars don't need 5G...?
> "The 5G connected car is a fact."

Interesting. The 5G network isn't yet built out... is it? Maybe in a few test cities. And yet, autonomous "level 2" cars exist. Maybe "level 4" autonomous cars will use 5G wireless, but I'm not so sure it's a requirement. I don't think it will be... 

Tesla hasn't started partnering with any cell providers for 5G connectivity, has it? That would be the first car company to put an autonomous car on the road, I'd guess. So if Telsa isn't laying that groundwork now.... 

I'd hate to be in an autonmous car while it sped through a 5G "dead zone"... if 5G wireless were a requirement for self-driving. 

But it'd be cool to see Google Fi 5G used in Google's future self-driving cars... I think maybe Google would want to switch to Verizon, though, instead of relying on T-mobile & Sprint for its wireless connections.

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
6/3/2016 5:13:50 AM
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Re: But self driving cars don't need 5G...?
mhh, self-driving cars do need 5G as a fact. The caption is correct, autonomous cars and IoT need 5G. That's why improvements over mobile broadband services are an immediate need, to be able to enable fully autonomous vehicles. 5G is needed as well to support systems that ensure a better security for users. Innovative automotive services require new mobile connectivity such as ultra-reliability, low-latency, and a wider coverage. Self-driving cars also need to communicate with each other, and with the road infrastructure as well as with pedestrian and cyclists. The 5G connected car is a fact. -Susan

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/2/2016 10:23:32 PM
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Re: Implementing...
> "Also, if Korea is announcing it will have a 5G system up and running for the 2018 Winter Olympics you can expect an explosion of 5G. Be prepared."

But Korea also had WiMAX and other wireless tech deployed before anyone else... and where did WiMAX go? Korea is a unique place that can try a lot of cutting edge tech, but that doesn't point to that tech necessarily exploding in any other country. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/2/2016 10:21:29 PM
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But self driving cars don't need 5G...?
The picture of an autonomous car and a caption that says IoT and self driving cars will be driving 5G... doesn't make *that* much sense when autonomous cars don't need to rely on 5G at all? IoT, sure.. maybe. 

Autonomous cars need radar/lidar and some cameras... and good algorithms to detect all the stuff on the roads. But if they rely on 5G wireless -- that's a recipe for disaster. I certainly wouldn't want my autonomous car waiting on 5G latency to figure out how to avoid a deer running across the highway.... 

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batye
batye
6/2/2016 1:18:08 AM
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Re: Implementing...
@KBode but the way I see it 5G is will be here soon one way or other :) as much need it :) 

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KBode
KBode
6/1/2016 2:23:47 PM
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Re: Implementing...
Except again, 5G doesn't exist yet. And while speed and latency will surely be better whenever it drops (2020 or later), it will come down to pricing and usage allotments to determine whether it's really a fixed line replacement. 

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